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Zenvious
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Absolutely Devistated

FIrst up yes this will be a rant with the intent to get emotions off my chest, so it won't be anything productive really. And no its not a call for help. At the most is probably a cry of attention which is selfish and self-centered, but its a want to at the least just express myself so I don't feel silent and leaving this completely bottled up. So with that said, feel free to ignore this thread as just by me hitting send I know I will feel better.

With that all said...

 

I love Bushido. Of every miniture game I've experienced, almost nothing comes close to it. I love its design that discourages meat-grinding, the simplicity of its mechanics, the focus on positioning, and the depth requires to really master it. I love it the point I've been planning for the past 1-2 weeks to start up a VLog Tactica on the game to help promote it further.

Unfortunately I am terrible at it when it comes to Tournament play.

Today we had our 4th Yearly Tourny. I played as Savage Wave and came last... which is the third time this has happened (in my first year I placed in the top 4 I believe, and even won best sportsman). While I accepted the loss in the years prior, it was because I went in with no practice games beforehand and minimal study of the rules. THIS year I had numerous games to get myself ready, knew every model I brought inside-out, understood how each was ment to work... and I STILL came dead last (my scores being:

1-0

0-3

0-3

0-3.

I am now trying to find ways to justify it to try and soften the pain of what I considered was ample effort. I wasn't aspiring to win, I just didn't want to be last AGAIN. I try to convince myself its because I went with a 50-Rice Bakemono Horde and was paired up against temple each time (when their Indomitable countered my mob-reliant tactics). That there were numerous bad rolls. That my second game was against the best Bushido Tourney player in our area (who won the tourney the 2nd year in a row now), and that being demolished by him in a single move on turn 3 (where I felt almost helpless or highly restrained turns 1-2) set me in a headspace of failure for the following games. That any number of X, Y, Z should justify this reoccuring pattern.

But end result, I can only think and feel that the Wave may just not be designed to be Tournament focused. Temple and Cult seem to be brutishly strong in my area and, even when I've tried to build specifically to counter them, I can maybe scrounge a 1-0 victory at best.

I don't want to quit Bushido, the online community is nice, the mechanics are fantastic, and I would LOVE to play the Tournaments again... but it seems that I am just not ment to do this (at least not at the tourney level, and/or at least not with the wave).

I won't act too irrationally, but my desire is feeling I may need to sell the Oni and Gob's and seek something else. Hopefully one of the newer forces may have something worthwhile. But last year when i lost with the Wave I considered selling them up, but decided to put in the effort to give them a chance.

I've now put in the effort, I've failed once more, and feel absolutely foolish for the investment I've given this faction.

Anyhow thats all. For those who listened, thankyou. I'll give myself 1-2 weeks to mull these thoughts over, but right now it does feel that it may be time to reconsider my playstyle and seek environments that are more focused on fun, teaching, learning, and laughing - opposed to victory at all cost (including the emotions of others).

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I wouldn't sell the Wave. Try getting a second faction and playing with them for a while. You'll likely come back to your Wave with a fresh approach and a deeper understanding of how you can use them.

It does sound like you had a bad draw this year, with Temple being the rock to your scissors. Honestly, though, that probably means you were too reliant on the outnumbering. Tournaments by their very nature discourage themed lists and encourage rounded lists. You need to be able to adapt when someone shits in your cereal. Depth in your list is the only way to ensure that. Of course, I am terrible at this!

Personally, I realised a while back that tournaments aren't usually for me. That being said, Bushido is something of an exception. It isn't like 40K and Warmachine where the deathstar combinations win you the game. If you find it depressing though, try to change the way you look at tournaments. Instead of turning up to win, turn up to have a good time. If that is your goal, you'll rarely come away disappointed, even if you lose every game.

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Thankyou. I appreciate your advice and it does have merit. I guess I did get caught up on the new "Army Themes" (the winning player won with a Themed Cult for e.g.) so I may try to look beyond that.

In the years prior I had gone with the intent to have fun, and assumed that was why I lost soo severely. I went in this year for the first time with the goal to just NOT place last, and when it happened it just felt brutal.

I'll bench them and look at the other forces. I do have sizable temple (and they were what got me to the high rank in the first year), but I chose to stop using them simply because EVERYONE was using them (in today's tourny, 40% of the players chose Temple).

And I suspect that is a disadvantage to me - I don't want to be a "clone-army". Similtaniously I don't want to choose the winning faction as I don't want to be "that guy" who chose the force that is winning for that reason alone.

I'll keep giving it thought, but thankyou kindly for your words.

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I find myself in similar situations with any mini's games tournament I go to - often in the bottom handful of folks.  And I get bummed on it also. REAL bummed - in my last few Infinity tournaments I wanted to rage quit after one and quit the event after 3rd (of 4) rounds in another.  [but I didn't]

So I truly feel your pain.

But in hindsight, I think beyond the specifics and try to find the silver lining.  The forest instead of the trees if you will.  As a 40-something with 2 very busy kids, a professional job, and all that real-life stuff, a day of tournament is (a) a day away from all that real life, (b) a day I didn't have to listen to my kids belly-ache about 1st world problems, (c) a day I didn't have to mow the lawn or dust the furniture or wash the clothes, (d) I could go on, but you get the point.  It was a "me" day.  Everything about the day was catered to "me." 

It sounds like you were unfortunately out-rocked to your scissors.  Try another faction for a while, or try a very different list for a bit.  Or both.  Heck, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em!  Try Cult or Temple for a while.  Maybe that will help you realize they're not invincible either!  ;)

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Oh I was trying to find silver lining. I do go with the aim to enjoy myself. But it can be hard when you not only loose, but your opponent thinks it acceptable to gloat (even if humbly) over the way they win - compared to a different opponent who looks at what happened and is mindful enough to talk about what I could have done to be better the next time.

I won't be doing Temple (I actually have them and I know they are good, but because EVERYONE plays them I don't want to be in there with the masses) and I don't want to do cult because I don't want to look like "He gets beaten by it, so he's just going to join in". Plus if I loose as cult it will DEFINATELY be stating "its not your forces, its you".

I dunno. I'll give some thought to getting over this damn niche of mine

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farseerixirvost wrote:

I find myself in similar situations with any mini's games tournament I go to - often in the bottom handful of folks.  And I get bummed on it also. REAL bummed - in my last few Infinity tournaments I wanted to rage quit after one and quit the event after 3rd (of 4) rounds in another.  [but I didn't]

So I truly feel your pain.

But in hindsight, I think beyond the specifics and try to find the silver lining.  The forest instead of the trees if you will.  As a 40-something with 2 very busy kids, a professional job, and all that real-life stuff, a day of tournament is (a) a day away from all that real life, (b) a day I didn't have to listen to my kids belly-ache about 1st world problems, (c) a day I didn't have to mow the lawn or dust the furniture or wash the clothes, (d) I could go on, but you get the point.  It was a "me" day.  Everything about the day was catered to "me." 

It sounds like you were unfortunately out-rocked to your scissors.  Try another faction for a while, or try a very different list for a bit.  Or both.  Heck, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em!  Try Cult or Temple for a while.  Maybe that will help you realize they're not invincible either!  ;)

 

It's a day you get to hang out with me.  lol.

 

 

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It's very much the matchup mate. All Bakes vs Monks is brave, very brave, yet a upphill struggle a'la climbing the Eiffel Tower in skates. Quite expected result, but top marks for style!

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So as the local TO, and Retainer I've already had a chat with Zenvious but more generally speaking silver linings are 100% what should be looked for when folks find themselves in this place. I've been there myself, (more often than not) and sometimes when I thought I was at the peak of my game!

In this instance, there was a win in there! No-one at this Iron Dragon went 0-4, which speaks volumes to the level of competition. The last 4 placed players all went 1-3... which again is a huge indicator of just how tough it was.

Perth also has a small community of gamers, and a lot of them play many, many games. Assessing where you sit in the local meta is also a good exercise. I've been around the local gaming scene... well... lets just say a while, I knew everyone at the event. Some very experienced wargamers, champions in other systems, and Retainer equivilents for similar games to Bushido. 

I also don't think theres anything wrong with "if you cant beat them join them". Who knows, the style of play may suit you better. Not only that, you get to try out something different, and see the world from their perspective. That makes you a better player all round because you know what tricks that force can pull, and what that weakness is. For all the games i have played I have tried to play as many different "factions" as I can afford, and as wildly differing factions as possible. Likewise for the "popular" faction. Last year it was Prefecture, this year Temple, yesterday next year was looking like Tengu. These things swing like a thing that swings a lot.

Fleafa is also right on the money. Tournement forces need to have a lot of depth and flexibility. Molke the Elder said no plan survives contact (or near enough anyway) and your force composiotion has to cater for that. Ask yourself what do I do if I lose this model? What if they have this trait? What are my alternative plans when things start to go to Jogoku in a hand basket? Perhaps a more relevant quote by a Samurai...

“You must understand that there is more than one path to the top of the mountain.”
— Miyamoto Musashi

Practice, practice, practice. Josh Kaufman says it takes 20 hours to become competant at something. I'd translate that in Bushido terms to games. I'd also translate that to games with the same or similar force. It's well worth getting that in immdeiately leadign up to an event, and against as many different people and forces as you can.

 

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