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video batreps??

im very new to the game and as with most games i play i learn by watching. i don't have the luxury of spending time watching people in real life  as the nearest opponant is probably 50 miles away at least so i end up watching battle reports on youtube to help me learn the rules. as bushido is very different to what im used to im finding it difficult to pick up the rules without the visual aid and feel a bit baffled by it all.

are there many video batreps about? youtube is giving me a handful and only one or two are remotely useful. 

GCT - it would be great if you made some 'how to play' videos or post up some batreps of your own using those lovely painted models for people like me to pick up the game easier. 

as a newbie i am finding it difficult to find any real information on the game outside of the forums and then i have to trawl through posts to find it. i'd find it hugely beneficial and im sure others would to to have that kind of video reference there on the main website. the miniatures are amazing and the game looks superb but i dont find it hugely accessable or informative as a new player. 

 

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well the guessing zero guys made the only batrep so far id considder watching. Granted i havent been scouring youtube etc but a lot of the ones i did find left something to be desired.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er0rPajyUAg

 

sadly this is the only one they made afaik

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yep thats pretty much the only one i found that was any use. ah well i'll just have to be patiant

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Hey bork the Manchester crew (rob, corp , Kenton and mike) play , drop us a line and we might be able to get a game or two in :) .

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excellent. they haven't seen the last of me mwhaaha! 

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borkdabasher wrote:

excellent. they haven't seen the last of me mwhaaha! 

We should have a sweestake on how long it takes you to buy every faction devil

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ah gone are those days im afraid, iv'e been to miniature rehab and now have my impulse buying well under control. no wonder GW's profits have been down recently.

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Good stuff.  Can you get over to Fanboy on Sunday?  The event there should be pretty low-key and a good laugh.  We can show you how not to play!

Alternatively we can work something else out.

I'm demoing in Sheffield on 3rd May, might(/will) be pick up games too and I am sure that Ret-LEJ is doing something closer to you.

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can't make it this sunday already got plans for the weekend and sheffield is a bit far. i'll try and make the next fanboy 3 tourney. i haven't managed to read all the rulebook yet let alone got any paint on anything. be good to catch up with you lot, ah tourneys at FB3, the nostalgia.

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Any more movement on this? I too would like to take a look at some experienced players going through the game before I attempt to do some demos with my friends.

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Saynt wrote:

Any more movement on this? I too would like to take a look at some experienced players going through the game before I attempt to do some demos with my friends.

I think that you shouldn't. Go ahead and play with no experience. You will make mistakes, it's gonna be long, but you're not gonna learn the game through video.
Set a table, read the beginning of the rulesbook, play with them while reading.

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no offence intended joueur but we might be the ones who know how we learn best wink. for me its not just about reading a book and getting stuck in. i've tried that approach and am tired of constantly getting things wrong. if i have a visual aid it makes it much much easier and about 100 times faster. my spare time is almost non existant so what little time i do get to put into my hobby i don't want it wasted pouring over rules x amount of times to only find out im doing it all wrong anyway. i learn best by watching someone else do it and as im the only bushido player i know about within an hours drive at best youtube is my only option for that. i don't usually have trouble with rules ive been playing wargames 20 odd years and pick things up quickly but theres just something im not getting with bushido.

im sure i'll get there in the end but it'd just be a lot easier and as almost every other wargame out there uses that kind of thing to help players it can't be a bad thing for GCT to have. i have 4 guys in my small group who want to try it out but without being able to demo myself with confidence or direct them to something to give them a good idea of the game itself they aren't going to commit. the situation is less appealing if your coming to the game by yourself without others to encourage you along. where do you go to find out about it? theres a short blurb on the website and a single watchable batrep on youtube then your left with trawling the forums. its not an enticing prospect really. 

 

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borkdabasher wrote:

no offence intended joueur but we might be the ones who know how we learn best wink.

Well, "no offence" + a smiley is not a magic combination that turns an aggressive sentence into a kind one.

If you guys are five, and really excited about this game (and you should be), it shouldn't be that hard to use the video report you already have, and to read the rule book to be able to play. However, if you wanna wait for a bushido 101 online, you can.

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Joueur 1156 wrote:

If you guys are five, and really excited about this game (and you should be), it shouldn't be that hard to use the video report you already have, and to read the rule book to be able to play. However, if you wanna wait for a bushido 101 online, you can.

My main issue is that my friends are pre-biased against war games because of the cost investment and percieved slow pacing so I can't afford to stumble through with my head buried in the rulebook or I know I'll lose them. As I am also in the middle of nowhere so videos are my best bet to see experienced players play good games.

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Well, "no offence" + a smiley is not a magic combination that turns an aggressive sentence into a kind one.

If you guys are five, and really excited about this game (and you should be), it shouldn't be that hard to use the video report you already have, and to read the rule book to be able to play. However, if you wanna wait for a bushido 101 online, you can.

 

in all seriousness no offence was meant, and certainly no aggression, my apologies if it came accross that way. my aim to this thread is to find a productive solution to a problem not just myself is experiencing.

to be clearer there are 4 of my group who like the look of the models, they aren't willing to go further without some way of seeing how the game is played, wherein my problem lies. im hugely excited about the game and believe me im doing my best to push it down their throats as much as possible it'd just be great for the game to have some visual exposure to help the newbies out and help bring more people into it. i can learn the rules the old fashioned way, im not saying i can't or won't just that an alternative would be helpful, especially as almost every other wargame has some sort of similar thing available even if its fan made. 

saynt - your group sound very much like mine. very set in their ways. getting them to play anything but 40k was hard enough at all, getting them to take on a new game entirely is next to impossible without something to lure them in. as you say if i just stumble through with the rules i'll lose them and that'll be that. 

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Al, I didn't realise you were driving these days. There is a group of old UKCORDers that you might know who play regularly at the Northwest Games Centre (Stockport) and FanBoy3. Alternatively, I could possibly sort out a trip your way one weekend for a demo game (prob have to wait until September for that though).

If you can pick up Confrontation, you can pick up Bushido. yes

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"i can learn the rules the old fashioned way,"
 
Should we understand that opening a book and reading is "an old fashioned way"?
That is not very nice! You r making me feel quite old, because didn't use a video to learn something that is in a book.
 
I'm sorry that you considere things this way, but why dont you learn the game by the "old fashioned way" and then show your pals? I can understand they don't want to get into, but why does this prevent you from learning? You can demo them after, can't you?
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cheers matey might take you up on that offer. i don't drive but my missis does, still utilizing the lovely rail system at the moment but might be able to steal her taxi services for a day at some point.. i know you guys play its just a hell of a hike to make for anything other than a tourney really and im not ready for that yet. free time is always my worst enemy which is why i find it hard to just sit down for a few hours and go through the book etc. 

malhorne - old fashioned way was perhaps the wrong choice of words, i know i'll to have to read the rules regardless but reading the rules and KNOWING the rules are diffferent things, some 'how to play' videos covering the basic mechanics and battle reports would go a long way to helping people who feel a bit stuck or a give a bit of direction for potential players to see how the game is actually played. im not asking for a lazy mans guide to learning but not everyone has the time or desire to just slog through a book and crack on with no real idea what sort of game they are learning. i have a good idea but the people im trying to coerce don't and no amount of me telling them about it in empassioned speeches will help put their hands in their pockets...believe me i've tried. 

i've got no problem learning from the book as such, but my issue is i have no guidence apart from that and as im all on my lonesome have no one to go through things with to work stuff out if im stuck. tried numerous little mini scenarios of melee, shooting etc and it seems i do it wrong every time. its time consuming and a little frustrating especially when i can go online for almost any other game, watch a game played and can know its mechanic and 'feel' right away. 

if i have to do it the slow way so be it. i will but this thread was designed to help more than just myself with the problem of starting up. you have to admit there is virtually no info about the game itself out there. lots of pics of the models but next to nothing about how its actually played and i can't believe that hasn't turned away people or won't put off custom and growth in the future. i know it would help me, i know it would help persuade the 4 guys i have in my group who are interested (hopefully anyway) im sure we wouldn't be alone either. 

i'll crack on regardless, it'll be good to see some videos up, i think it'll be a great help and a good free advertisement of the game. if it happens it happens 

 

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hassssssssssss... be quiet folks...hassssssssss dont let them hear us....

just a little secret: ....soon!!!!!

 

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Im hopeing that We can post the batrep this week. I had some problem with the mastering.

 

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Let's be honest we had LOTS of problems with a lots of things and life wasn't really merciful with our time regarding this project too. So yea it will be really really far from perfect but there is always a first when doing things so I just hope at that at least some people will find it mindly amusing and entertaning.

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OK! the video is ready for upload. I wil do that in ASAP tomorrow.

 

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The video is in the hands of Youtube :) the premier will be tomorrow. As Ruro said this is our first time for a BattRep. We had lot of lot of troubles but its finally ready and we can share it with You :)

 

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So here is the very first Video Battle Report

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfX9Be1xpMQ

 

Comment freely welcome

 

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Okay now I can say it's ready for the people to actually watch. I put in quite some hours in the annotations just to clear up all the errors we made while recording the batrep. As it was surely mentioned before this is a first attempt and we made so many technical mistakes that I'm quite ashamed of it.

Trying to record the actual dub after the game was a terrible idea and the sound quality of the mic we used is just outright horrible. Not to mention that for some reason the commentary is only on the left channel, though this way if someone is bored of our bickering then they can just use the right side of their headphones to just listen to the music and watch the game lol.

I also hope that our pretty heavy accents won't be too confusing for the people that want to watch this. On the technical side we will propably get another camera for 99% more closeups for the next batrep and will propably do the recording of the commentary "live" as that is mutch easier and the camera surprisingly records at a better sound quality then the mic we used. Also we need some kind of a graphical overlay to show all the statistics like Melee Skills and their modifyiers, Ki and Wounds.

Though the good point is that at least we follow the rules of the game in a proper way, so people won't learn bad rulings from us.(We were really meticulous about this as most of the video batreps for bushido have an astounding number of terrible mistakes from the people playing the game which is all and well for someone who knows how should it have worked, but for someone who wants to learn the game it will just be a misdirection and a nuicence). Soooooooo TL;DR edition pls comment on the batrep and stuff cheeky

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thank you for going to the effort of making this. it is slightly hard to follow and suffers from the problems you described above but it still watchable and informative despite that. hopefully this will be the first of many, good job guys

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What really surprised me is how mutch actual time can making a batrep consume smiley I took like 4 hours to manage and record a game that we usually play in like 30-50 minutes, then literally tens of hours were spent on rendering. When we started making it like a month ago I was like "Pff we can do it in like 4-8 hours so 1-2 days and wer are ready to publish". How wrong I was about that timespan hehe.

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Very nice Battle Report Ruro and Dasco. I understood you two clearly with what was going on each turn. It was interesting seeing how each faction plays. Hope to see more in future. :)

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We want to make a step by step tutorial for the game in the future too, because there was quite a request toward that but first we want to improve on the general quality of these batreps so that when we make the tutorial it would be the best and most clear in every way possible.

Also I need to finish some (meaning like 99%) of my paintjobs on the minis and base them because we were really concerned to NOT field anything that is not fully painted and based. Also we played with the most basic options to actually try to show a bit of the game off to people that never played it, or only played it for a little.

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I´m planning to make a YouTube tutorial based on STS and Ito (as I own those two factions). These are the various parts of it:

  1. Fluff (based on Japansese Fantasy + factions) Pics of models/factions
  2. Game type & size (skirmish - fantasy - objective oriented - 2' x 2' board) Pic of game board
  3. Play sequence (one model at a time - switch player - models have 2 actions each) Movie sequence of 2 enemy models (Temple Bushi & Kyoaku-Han) being moved twice each and markers placed
  4. Stats (MS/RS/etc. - Traits - Ki - Feats - HP) Pic of Temple Bushi card
  5. LoS & ZoC (Who sees what - ZoC is half the models base) Pic of model on game board and it´s ZoC
  6. Type of actions (Move - Fight - Scenario action) Pic of game board with a text list of the three basic actions
  7. Dice (How they are calculated depending on type of roll) Pic of dice on the game board and text summing up results
  8. Actual play Movie sequence of 3 models fighting over an objective (2 Temple Bushi and Buto), moving and doing scenario actions.
  9. Extra rules teaser (SA´s/SD´s) Pic of Monk card

Comments on this plan are welcome smiley I´m merely at the storyboard stage, learning to VE and finishing terrain.

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I know this is a pretty old post but I found this to be very interesting.  That's a pretty ambitious tutorial!   Have you made any progress towards it?  I would be extremely interested to see it.

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Teri Litorco also has a video batrep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctjw-jcFqlU

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